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文章LoGao » 11日 4月 2009年, 14:10

contaxnikon 寫:
zodiac 寫:既然冇權去批評人, 又有咩權批評呢啲批評個course既人?

如果食野例子有問題, 而問題系因為我地系唔夠creative就唔可以批評, 咁換個角度睇, 我地唔系批評學生, 系講緊個course同呢啲嘩眾取寵既標題, 我唔系教書既, 唔系做教育呢行又唔系marketing, 咁我地有資格教學方法有問題.


非常有道理。

姑勿論樓主用詞如何,樓主既用詞都同"創意" 同教學方法/教學質素冇關~~~用詞只系一個人既談吐同文筆上既表達風格。

上面都有人講過,可能大陸人真系為份人工,

你話佢地六個月可以由零開始做到咁,我覺得冇乜問題丫,

系眼見比人狂插而抱不平,反而令我變左激進既異見份子~~haha~~~

而且樓主打從一開始已經表示左佢系抄,系中國版既hellgate.............

咁樣即系同你小學學中國書法,老師教你買字帖番黎跟住學,然後比其他人批評冇自己既書法風格一樣............

算吧,我是一個路見不平的small potato。呢個話題睇黎我都不能再參與落去



SoSmall同我系無關系o既...我並無表示我唔喜歡你.

借你學中國書法哩個例子,表達一o下我o既諗法.
樓主系小學教師,教o的學生買字帖番o黎跟住學,
然後就用學生用字帖臨摹出o黎o既作品,出去搵食.
(其實仲要系打住"震撼世人"o既旗號出去搵食...不過哩樣唔系最重心o既問題)

我認為哩一種教育只會令一堆又一堆識用毛筆寫字o既人越o黎越多,

但系真正知道乜o野歷史時期o既字,
o系咩文化之下出現乜o野字體,
每一筆一畫o既構成規則...等等,
可以將書法文化維持甚至更上一層樓o既書法家就越o黎越少.


我擔心o既系,動畫o系中國繼續發展o既時候,
哩一班技工系最快被淘汰o既...
我認為哩種教育理念系太短視.

萬幾蚊對好多中國人o黎講都系一筆相當相當大o既數目,
如果二三千蚊去學臨摹.
我可能無咁多o野講.
o}-<
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文章h2o » 11日 4月 2009年, 18:10

對大陸市場既老板黎講, "做"CG 冇肉食, "教"CG 就好搵囉... 所以出現左唔少個d 聲稱自己做過"中港電影 CG" or PIXAR/ Dreamworks/ DD... 做左一兩年既老外去搵食. :roll:

對大陸想入 CG 呢行既人黎講, 接觸資訊好少, 可能電腦都唔識, 邊度宣傳勁就去邊度. 除左私人院校, 依家好多國內大學都系咁. :(
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文章wanchun » 11日 4月 2009年, 19:17

復制藝術?
對於我黎講~我唔系咁鍾意d咁真實既3d animation
做都咁真實做乜...不如搵真人拍-.-
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文章hollowman » 11日 4月 2009年, 21:46

I just want to share what I have observed since I started working in mainland China.

Firstly, I was educated in University in HK, and I have been working in HK CG industry for more than 8 years in a senior position, and I also did some teaching job.

Last year I was moved to Mainland Chain and working in a foreign game company.

I found that people around me, who are from mainland China, are really talented, they're attitude are very good as well. Their have a good knowledge about what they are working. More then that, some of them are able to use english in meeting and presentation.

Compare to people studied CG in HK, I can't found that they have any advantage, some of them just study CG or animation course just because they can't get other job, or they think that they are creative and able to work in this field. Most of them are too young and english is not good enough to communicate. (or even can't read a software manuel)

Recently we are hiring people, I really depressed. Although I m in senior position, I found that many very young artist here are really talented, some of them already World know artist, their work are published in Expose ..etc.

So... I don't understand why many HK people still proud of themselves. There are already no difference for technique between HK and mainland. (or even better than HK). Try visit here:

http://www.leewiart.com/

compare the art gallery or speed painting in this cgvisual forum.

Honestly, the difference only in salary level. Already many foreign companies opened in Shanghai, such as Activition, Ubisoft, Massive Black..., because of the low salary and quality of work.
So obviously you notice that which place have more advantages.

Please wake up HK people. If we don't work hard and change your attitude. CG industry in HK will end one day.
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文章h2o » 11日 4月 2009年, 22:53

依家呢個年代, 我好耐都未遇到一個專心玩 3D 既香港學生.... 你話學校問題又得, 怕難入行又得. :roll:
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文章Kunanimator » 12日 4月 2009年, 07:25

大陸系好多人才...我發覺有部分比美國哩邊嘎同行勁...

不過角色動畫方面仍然比較落後,可能系比較少人去接觸嘎原因...同埋網上都好難搵到好嘎動畫嘎教材...

果D勁人我發覺得都系出自真心中意做哩行。對距地黎講已經唔止系工作咁簡單,系lifestyle...
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文章mUser » 12日 4月 2009年, 15:06

hollowman 寫:I just want to share what I have observed since I started working in mainland China.

Firstly, I was educated in University in HK, and I have been working in HK CG industry for more than 8 years in a senior position, and I also did some teaching job.

Last year I was moved to Mainland Chain and working in a foreign game company.

I found that people around me, who are from mainland China, are really talented, they're attitude are very good as well. Their have a good knowledge about what they are working. More then that, some of them are able to use english in meeting and presentation.

Compare to people studied CG in HK, I can't found that they have any advantage, some of them just study CG or animation course just because they can't get other job, or they think that they are creative and able to work in this field. Most of them are too young and english is not good enough to communicate. (or even can't read a software manuel)

Recently we are hiring people, I really depressed. Although I m in senior position, I found that many very young artist here are really talented, some of them already World know artist, their work are published in Expose ..etc.

So... I don't understand why many HK people still proud of themselves. There are already no difference for technique between HK and mainland. (or even better than HK). Try visit here:

http://www.leewiart.com/

compare the art gallery or speed painting in this cgvisual forum.

Honestly, the difference only in salary level. Already many foreign companies opened in Shanghai, such as Activition, Ubisoft, Massive Black..., because of the low salary and quality of work.
So obviously you notice that which place have more advantages.

Please wake up HK people. If we don't work hard and change your attitude. CG industry in HK will end one day.


成個thread 無人話睇唔起國內同胞 ,系你睇唔起香港人似的。
好多自稱多年CG經驗的香港人,技術未到家系香港又做唔掂或者得罪曬D人,於是就上去大陸闖一闖,上到去上面,d同胞對系香港做過既CG人當然另眼相看,一邊羅盡香港著數 ,那邊廂又踐踏香港人。
你放個website 老實說技術不錯但土味甚膿,就不及這裡purehay , joshna 那些具時代感。
本地CG人系要自強,大家都知,不用你在此抽水!!
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文章zodiac » 12日 4月 2009年, 15:30

wanchun 寫:復制藝術?
對於我黎講~我唔系咁鍾意d咁真實既3d animation
做都咁真實做乜...不如搵真人拍-.-



呢句野聽過不下幾十次, 聽學生講得最多, 做得耐老鬼又有, 系唔識定系唔明點解要realistic?

真人做既電影都唔系嚇嚇搵真人特技人做危險場面, 用CG 做stunt man 已經系成日會用到. 技術黎講, 梗系有必要再做真啲, 連睇唔到樣既spider man 都成日會俾人小做得咁假既. 你想睇套假到爆既spider man 喺大廈周圍飛?

近期啲既benjamin button, 老餅brad pitt, 你點搵真人做? 俾你搵返brad pitt化妝, 個身形做唔做得返成個阿伯?
如果想講死咗既人呢?搵人扮唔系唔得, 樣唔似已經系另一回事.

唔講人, 其他野都有需要仿真,變形金剛你搵個真系人扮呀? 仿真既技術系有必要, 除非你嚇嚇都系要做Toy story, Shrek, 咁真唔真唔系太重要.
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文章zodiac » 12日 4月 2009年, 15:57

mUser 寫:
hollowman 寫:I just want to share what I have observed since I started working in mainland China.

Firstly, I was educated in University in HK, and I have been working in HK CG industry for more than 8 years in a senior position, and I also did some teaching job.

Last year I was moved to Mainland Chain and working in a foreign game company.

I found that people around me, who are from mainland China, are really talented, they're attitude are very good as well. Their have a good knowledge about what they are working. More then that, some of them are able to use english in meeting and presentation.

Compare to people studied CG in HK, I can't found that they have any advantage, some of them just study CG or animation course just because they can't get other job, or they think that they are creative and able to work in this field. Most of them are too young and english is not good enough to communicate. (or even can't read a software manuel)

Recently we are hiring people, I really depressed. Although I m in senior position, I found that many very young artist here are really talented, some of them already World know artist, their work are published in Expose ..etc.

So... I don't understand why many HK people still proud of themselves. There are already no difference for technique between HK and mainland. (or even better than HK). Try visit here:

http://www.leewiart.com/

compare the art gallery or speed painting in this cgvisual forum.

Honestly, the difference only in salary level. Already many foreign companies opened in Shanghai, such as Activition, Ubisoft, Massive Black..., because of the low salary and quality of work.
So obviously you notice that which place have more advantages.

Please wake up HK people. If we don't work hard and change your attitude. CG industry in HK will end one day.


成個thread 無人話睇唔起國內同胞 ,系你睇唔起香港人似的。
好多自稱多年CG經驗的香港人,技術未到家系香港又做唔掂或者得罪曬D人,於是就上去大陸闖一闖,上到去上面,d同胞對系香港做過既CG人當然另眼相看,一邊羅盡香港著數 ,那邊廂又踐踏香港人。
你放個website 老實說技術不錯但土味甚膿,就不及這裡purehay , joshna 那些具時代感。
本地CG人系要自強,大家都知,不用你在此抽水!!


講起Gallery, 香港呢邊系同其他地方唔同, 一來CGV只系集中香港人, 香港人口又比其他地方少, 2來好少在職既人會工余之後再做自己野仲會放人網.

答你對上位人兄, 如果用CGV 既gallery 同其他web 比用黎代表勁人既多少, 咁就真系五十步笑百步. 香港系有好多勁人, 但系系唔會做野自余再放上網公諸同好呢d野.

我唔覺大部份香港人仲認為自己比大陸既好叻, 反而認為有好多野都就黎俾人趕上,或者唔及大陸, 唔單止CG, 好多行都系咁. 個個都系乜乜藝術學院出黎, 專精於一范, 香港好多唔系受過正統既訓練. 所以好抽水啦, 呢條thread冇人睇唔起大陸, 反而認為自己好掂既系樓主囉, 又震撼世人, 又荷裡活. 即使樓主系香港人, 只要系個咁既標題, 都系一樣俾人小. 如果你post去外國 forum, 又stunning又hollywood, 你睇嚇人地鬼佬咩反應. 仲以為中國人都系咁自大, 到時你個course就真系影響到全中國人啦... :lol:
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文章hollowman » 12日 4月 2009年, 18:08

people, please look at a bigger picture.

I m not only discussing people in this thread. I m speaking in general.

The website I used is just an example to compare similar subject.

If you want me to find people with technique also "具時代感", I can give you 10 examples more. But it is just silly to look at the matter in this way.

but Mr. mUser, did I say anything have meaning "香港人睇唔起國內同胞", i think i didn't...

anyway... just want to share experience, if you don't want to hear that, i shut up.
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文章國慶 » 21日 4月 2009年, 09:51

Kunanimator 寫:大陸系好多人才...我發覺有部分比美國哩邊嘎同行勁...

不過角色動畫方面仍然比較落後,可能系比較少人去接觸嘎原因...同埋網上都好難搵到好嘎動畫嘎教材...

果D勁人我發覺得都系出自真心中意做哩行。對距地黎講已經唔止系工作咁簡單,系lifestyle...



其實大陸都有D勁o既動畫師,只系大陸市場問題,好難有好似國外大投資o既制作,導致好o既動畫師都分散各地,各自走各自o既路
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文章國慶 » 21日 4月 2009年, 10:05

本人都系大陸工作o左好幾年,從事過動畫教學、國外動畫制作同指導工作。大陸市場主要系以量取勝和競爭,所以用工場來形容都吾過分。不過都有部分公司做原創。其實王老師o既出發點都無錯,錯就錯在現階段o既國內市場問題。但作為老師o黎講,我都系比較提倡創意和技術相結合,一直系我o既教育宗旨,創意畢竟可以激發學生的潛能
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文章PetorialC » 21日 4月 2009年, 10:38

其實旁觀左咁耐,最大問題都系出系個標題度…
如果唔系又點會引發一連串嘅討論
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文章國慶 » 21日 4月 2009年, 10:49

PetorialC 寫:其實旁觀左咁耐,最大問題都系出系個標題度…
如果唔系又點會引發一連串嘅討論



“震撼世人”其實只系大陸o既一D宣傳手法,大陸好多原創片都會寫"XXX世界第一"等o既字眼,如果你系大陸耐左都會見慣不怪。因為o甘先會引起評論同爭議。
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文章zodiac » 21日 4月 2009年, 15:24

國慶 寫:
PetorialC 寫:其實旁觀左咁耐,最大問題都系出系個標題度…
如果唔系又點會引發一連串嘅討論



“震撼世人”其實只系大陸o既一D宣傳手法,大陸好多原創片都會寫"XXX世界第一"等o既字眼,如果你系大陸耐左都會見慣不怪。因為o甘先會引起評論同爭議。


無野既, 始終文化唔同, 唔鍾意過份吹捧, 掛羊頭賣狗肉既事. 你知大陸成日都系有假野, 失實既問題, 咁類似既事件自然就容易令人反感. 放得上internet就自然唔可以單單再只系幸自己人睇, 如果放呢d野加埋自己寫既咁有形既標題上鬼佬forum, 可能嘈得仲勁
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